Fences andf unequal enforcement

Hi all,

My husband and I have recently purchased a new home. Before buying the home we were assured by the seller the previous president of the HOA that adding a fence would be no problem. Being suspicious we read the covenants of the HOA and the word fence is not mentioned in any manner. Now we are told that we need to get approval from the architectural committee, which is unlikely. There are also other house in our subdivision that have fences, including the home of the current HOA president. What recourse do I have? It seems that rules are being enforced unequally. Could I put up a hedge or is that architectural as well? If I add an above ground pool can I have a fence? We really do not want a pool but with two active dogs and a toddler a fence is a necessity for us.

I live in Illinois.

Thanks


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Hello Illinois, I presume

Hello Illinois,

I presume you have received a number of emails regarding your entry re: fences and unequal enforcement. I hope this email proves helpful. The following is somewhat lengthy and I apologize in advance.

First: I have served on past HOA boards and committees in various capacities; I have enrolled and completed several HOA management classes and HOA management certification courses. This does not make me an expert in Illinois, nor in my home state of Arizona. It does help me keep HOA affairs open, fair, and reminds me that the best interest of all homeowners is paramount. Of this, it also helps me understand the general situation you are facing and prompts me to suggest a couple of avenues to investigate.

Homeowner associations that are open to its membership and proactive to keeping the community the best for all homeowners will tend to think about policies and procedures with the future in mind. This will include sets of procedures that you have mentioned. HOA’s are a ‘not for profit’ business operated for the common good of all invested parties (homeowners). This means the HOA will be incorporated, sanctioned by the state authority as a HOA, have state laws governing the actions of, and will maintain bookkeeping and board meeting minutes as such. You are an equal partner in the vested interests of the HOA and equally share in the benefits of such.

If you want to find out how the current president of the HOA managed to build their fence, check the meeting minutes of the Architectural Committee and the HOA Board’s approval of the mentioned fence. Assuming the fence you want to build is of same quality and look, placement on the property, and subject to the same (high probability) city/county zoning codes, there may not be any alternative but to grant permission if the same procedures are followed.

Everything about what can and can’t be done within the HOA goes back to the CC&R’s. State laws trump the HOA’s by-laws, CC&R’s, policies and procedures. If fences are specifically mentioned in the CC&R’s, then that is a contract that was signed at the purchase of your home.
What most homeowners forget is the contract gives BOTH responsibilities and rights to BOTH the homeowner and the HOA (a collective interest of homeowners.)
If fences are not mentioned within the CC&R’s, ask for copies of the by-laws, policies, and procedures. Specifically ask for the policies and procedures of the Architectural Review Committee and if applicable, the Landscaping Committee. If the policy and procedures are formally written, accepted and voted into effect by the HOA board, they will be made available to you promptly. The documents should have a date signifying when the Board voted and approved the documents. If no date is available and not supported by the meeting minutes, they are not official and may be considered non-binding.

I mention these documents only in that this is the only way the HOA, The Board of Directors, the Architectural Review Committee, the Landscaping Review Committee, etc, etc have authority to approve or deny any request placed before it. No authority...No VETO.
Most states require meeting minutes of a HOA to be made available for review by homeowners. Photocopies of the meeting minutes of all past meetings are usually available at a reasonable cost. I mention this because any change of the documents listed above will require a Board of Directors vote and will be reflected officially in the minutes. Committees and substructures of the Board of Directors are generally required to maintain meeting minutes and to make them available to the homeowners at large, when requested.

So, was there a change officially submitted, accepted and voted regarding fences, or is someone merely extending their opinion over your right to submit and properly construct a fence?

Depending on what type or construction material used...Cities and Counties will often have building codes pertaining to some fence construction and should also be consulted for your location.

Most municipalities in the Phoenix metropolitan area have building codes for fences. They include the minimum standard of construction, restrictions on placement within types of lots, inspection requirements, a $20 (total) permit fee, and more. HOWEVER: The cities here bend over backward to help the homeowners work the issues out for safe and long lasting fences.
As you probably guessed...I’ve been on both sides of the fence, figuratively speaking, and understand your concerns. I may have more to add at a later date and I would be interested in the eventual outcome on this...you may email my drop box at
x19ct2@aol.com

Take care,
Scottsdale AZ


Hello, Scottsdale AZ. You

Hello, Scottsdale AZ.

You seem very knowledgeable about HOA. I am wanting to install gates and a shrubs around the parameter of my house. The house adjacent to me has shrubs around the entire property and specially the front of the house. Another neighbor that live in a cul de sac has a gate. What are my rights if others have been allow to have what I am asking for? The president of the HOA tells me that the gate was allow over a decade ago and the rules have changed since then. I know that the neighbor with the gate and the shrubs were fought by the HOA but eventually they allow them.


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